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RE: Help me overclock my rig

Mr Green — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:33:59 GMT

3.6 emmm could do with that on my build :D very interesting thread loads to think about

MrG

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:30:37 GMT

Just for reference I had my e2180 booting into windows at 3.6Ghz with a vcore of 1.58v. :D

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:23:08 GMT

By the time it wears out, robots will be harvesting humans to wear as jumpers, You will have upgraded by then so dont worry about it.

Look in Wiz's sticky and get your rig benchmarket in super pi

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:20:20 GMT

Right, final post from me guys. Tried lower voltage for CPU at 1.37500 but was unstable so it was returned to 1.38750. Changed memory speed also.

CPU - E2180 @ 3.0Ghz with 1.38750volts
GPU - 9600GT @ 740/1010Mhz
RAM - 2GB at 4-4-4-12 timings with 1.214volts

Thanks a lot guys. Though to round this off could I just ask, how much will overclocking/overvolting decrease the life of my components if at all?

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:07:20 GMT

Auto on most motherboards is 1.8v. If you have high spec ram that requires 2.2v then the motherboard will under volt it. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:21:16 GMT

hello daniel, if your ram is at 800Mhz then set your timings at 4 4 4 12 and set your voltage manually at 2.2v, The main reason im posting is because you have refered to me as Monsier Mog and just now Herr Mog, I would like to assure you that im not a cheese eating surrender monkey or a blond, effecient member of the master race.

Enjoy your rig and its time to stop messing with orthos or you will go blind.

warm regards

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:53:05 GMT

Thanks for clearing that up VFM. Would you guys say that 8 hours is long enough for orthos to test the CPU? I ask because this lower voltage is still working (it'll 4 hours at 2200) and it's quite likely I'll be up till about 2am, making 8 hours total (maths pro :P)

If it's ok then I'll take it down what'll probably be the final time and then obviously by the time I wake up that'll have been tested. Am I kinda lucky that my chip is stable on 1.38v @3Ghz when as herr mog said, it takes most E2180's 1.40-1.41V?

Sorry to keep dragging this thread on btw guys. Soon I'll be able to get to the memory timings I promise ha ha

P.S I like using 'll :P

RE: Help me overclock my rig

The VFM (Value For Money) Addict — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:15:54 GMT

@ mog
He is bang on 800Mhz. The 650i decouples ram speed and I had Daniel set it at 400 (ie 800DDR).

@Daniel
If you had had to overvolt the chipset (i.e. Northbridge) then I'd say put a fan on it. But as you are at stock voltage (i.e. under 1.4v) it will be fine without one.

Yep its time to tighten the timings as suggested earlier.

Cheers,
vfm

***PS - I agree with wiz!. All to often recent mobo's undervolt ram. I'd say set it to 2.1v or 2.2v.

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:00:36 GMT

It will crash if your timings are wrong but will go faster if your timings are right, What is your FSB now?

@Wiz, Im sure he's nowhere near 800Mhz with his ram, so would he still have to put 2.2v manually even if the rams running at 600Mhz?

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:57:41 GMT

I'll just let orthos run a bit longer at it's lower voltage first, I forgot to take note and can't remember the increments but I think it must be around 1.38250v from 1.38750 (0.005v seem like a common difference in voltage options?).

Will changing the memory timings/voltage make my computer crash or anything and also, should I run some kind of test afterwards?

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:20:14 GMT

Possibly not. Many boards under volt ram for safety reasons. Auto is more likely 1.8v so set it manually. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:16:52 GMT

Your processor is dual(duel or jewel;)) core so they can have different temps, It looks like you have cracked it so well done that man. I would now set the timings to 4 4 4 12 and leave the memory voltage on auto, you are still below the rams spec so this should be ok(at 800Mhz 4 4 4 12 your voltage will be 2.2v)

warm regards

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:53:24 GMT

Well done! Tightening the timings is the next tweak yes. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:50:38 GMT

Rush received guys! Although work kinda took the buzz away...

Orthos ran for a total of about 11 hours and every thing seems fine. Currently orthos is now running with a slightly lower voltage and I'll see how that goes. Been running gromacs for 5 minutes now and the cores are 2C lower than the previous voltage. :D 50C!

What's the difference between CPU and the cores though? The CPU is 44C yet Cores 0 and 1 are 50C. Aren't they all the same thing, the cores being in the CPU right?

8 minutes, cores are now 51C if all goes well we can start messing with memory timings right guys? :P

Edit - Forgot to add, I clocked the 9600GT a bit higher at 740/1010 I don't really want to push it right up to what PCFormat got it to (792/1100).

Edit 2 - Orthos ran for about 18 minutes and then just crashed. All other programs worked but orthos wouldn't respond. I reset the computer and ran it again, so far we're a 1 hour 10. Cores 53 and 52. There are two heatsinks on my mobo, one orange one saying asrock and a larger silver one, which I believe is the northbridge one, what temps can it handle/is there a sensor which reports it's temperature? It's the only thing in my case which is so hot I can't keep my fingers on it for more than a few seconds. It probably doesn't matter though. :P

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:16:12 GMT

I prefer to be called Katie while in the forum...:ermm: :hehe:

RE: Help me overclock my rig

The VFM (Value For Money) Addict — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:07:32 GMT

[i]"I have my air bag deployed all the time for extra comfort/safety" [/i]

wiz finally lets it slip that he is really Jordan.

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:57:21 GMT

Not sure why it's cooler. If you look in task manager at the performance tab you should see both the graphs at 100% nearly all the time. That is full load. You can still do other things at the same time as the cpu slice's all the tasks so they appear seamless. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:54:15 GMT

Whats the deal with the gromacs test then? The CPU cores are about 6 degrees cooler at 52C each, doesn't this mean it's getting stressed less even though the usage is still 100%? Also, maybe a very stupid question but why is it that with 100% usage I can still move the mouse and open programs as if the test wasn't running? Finally, speedstep is currently enabled. Fortunate for me it doesn't matter...:P

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:52:30 GMT

I have my air bag deployed all the time for extra comfort/safety. :P

RE: Help me overclock my rig

The VFM (Value For Money) Addict — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:46:48 GMT

Personally I disable speedstep. But it really doesn't matter much either way.

But I NEVER disable Thermal Throttling. (I wear car seatbelts too........;):D)

Cheers,
vfm

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:46:18 GMT

Enable it. Helps keep your pc calm when it twiddling it's thumbs. There nothing like building your own rig. You'll never buy pre-built again. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:40:32 GMT

Thermal Throttling is definately on. CPUZ says core voltage is 1.312-1.320 it keeps occasionally fluxuating between the two although when doing nothing it says its 1.360. I stopped the test just to make sure the BIOS was correct (safe than sorry). It's now running the gromacs test. Hopefully for at least 9 hours, or at least long enough for my rush. I think I got a slight rush after I put it all together and it worked :D

Edit - As for speedstep, should it be enabled or disabled?

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:34:52 GMT

Doh! I think I'm forgetting more everyday...:hehe: Apologies...

RE: Help me overclock my rig

The VFM (Value For Money) Addict — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:28:53 GMT

.................errrr, wiz, double doh actually. You kept refereing to speedstep which is quite different from Thermal Throttling which is what you really meant.

Speedstep just reduces cpu speed when it isn't needed. Thermal Throttling is different and provides overheating protection. Yep, I know you know that really, wiz, but I've explained it for Daniel's benefit.

Cheers,
vfm

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:27:16 GMT

I left mine all night once, The buzz you get from an error free orthos session is like scoring a goal or seeing a pleasant looking lady smiling at you.

Its a good sign so far, I always run core temps and minimize it so that i can see the temps in my task bar for extra piece of mind. If it all goes well you will find that you have a cpu that will out perform cpu's at twice the price, Thats a rush in itself and a bit of patience will help in the long run.

warm regards

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:23:38 GMT

I was thinking CPU-z when I said Speedfan. Doh! :hehe:

RE: Help me overclock my rig

The VFM (Value For Money) Addict — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:21:56 GMT

Hi Daniel,

My bet is that the extra voltage will solve it, or if it doesn't then a tad more will sort it.

Don't worry about the temps. If you remember I suggested that you enable Thermal Throttling and I presume you did. That means that if temps were too high the cpu is automatically throtlled back. Truly do not worry.

TBH I should have initially suggested a higher voltage anyway because most mobo's suffer vdroop. My own 650i mobo runs a C2D at 1.4v but underload droops to 1.36v. Take a look at CPUZ on your own machine and see what voltage that is saying the chip is getting while Orthos is running. I suspect it is 1.37v or lower. Actually it would be good if you could post it here then we'll have some idea of that boards vdroop for future reference.

Cheers,
vfm

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:19:50 GMT

I prefer Gromacs as it hammers the cpu. Blend test is also good but if your sure your ram is stable. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:15:18 GMT

grommacs cpu test? Is that another option on orthos, like atm it's doing small FTTs. I can't check because I'd have to stop the test. I only use the mobo app to check the voltage, all the stuff on it seems pretty accurate though when comparing to speed fan, I also have coretemp, although the both probably use the same sensors...

I'll leave it on all night then...FOR THE RUSH! It's coming up to 40 minutes so I'll let it continue or do I need to stop it for the "grommacs test"? Thanks again.

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:03:11 GMT

I hate waiting too. Over night is the best way if you can stand the racket or put it in another room. Then you have the morning rush of is it still going! :D

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:01:49 GMT

Daniel, Im an impatient grumpy bloke but i will not rush the orthos test on a pc that i have spent my wages on, Two hours at least and preferably 9 hours on cpu grommacs core test.
Dont use any mobo apps for temp watching, Use core temps or real temps which can offer more reliability than mobo apps.

warm regards

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:56:50 GMT

Ok guys thanks a lot. I'll start reducing the voltage slightly after orthos has ran a while longer. I know I should be letting orthos run for hours but can I run it for considerably less than that? I'm quite patient but I don't really want to wait more than an hour for each test. This'll probably be my last post for a couple of hours now while I try and get everything run as best I can.

Btw wiz, to check the voltage when logged in I'm using the Asrock overclocking thing that came with the mobo. :P

Edit - Mog, just seen your posts. Thanks for the advice and reassurances. Talk to you guys later.

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:56:41 GMT

Daniel, Put your side panel back on, Its been a hot day and both my rigs have been hotter than usual.

warm regards( dont watch orthos while its running, its very boring)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:53:57 GMT

Daniel, you said-"but do you have a website or anything that can REALLY put my mind to rest."

your in it mate,This forum is full of techs/nerds/geeks with brains larger than my house and you will not find a more helpful and knowledgable bunch anywhere, you have overclocked your cpu by at least 40% to a level that would cost you a lot more to achieve, Your temps are good and there are people on this forum who would like these temps so you should be happy:)

Relax:cool:

warm regards

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:50:28 GMT

If you look at the voltage in speedfan when under load you will more than likely see it become lower. This is Vdroop and why it is sometimes required to add more. :)

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:48:24 GMT

1.35625 is probably to low, Take it up one setting at a time, reboot and try orthos, Your safe to take it up to 1.45v so all you need to do is take your time and take it up to 1.36-1.37v etc etc.

Reboot each time and run orthos, It takes time but its worth it, let me know how you get on.

warm regards

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:27:47 GMT

Ok I changed the timing and tried running orthos, it still didn't work. I ran memtest and didn't get any errors. So moggie, you're suggesting keeping the timing at 5-5-5-15 for now? Should I start lowering the FSB a few Mhz at a time as well as messing with the voltage until orthos works? The voltage atm is 1.35625 is there a limit I really shouldn't go above? I've seen on some forums guys putting the voltage up to about 1.42 to do 3Ghz.

Edit - Just raised voltage to 1.38750, orthos has been running for 9 mins so far, hopefully this might be the one. The CPU is 60C, but with the side of my case off its now 58C. I know you guys are saying the CPU will be fine at these temps but do you have a website or anything that can REALLY put my mind to rest.

In case you were wondering my browsing and replying is being done on my laptop. :D

13 minutes...

RE: Help me overclock my rig

mog wilson — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:15:37 GMT

Daniel, just relax and take your time, Your temps are fine and not all cpu chips are created equal, Some need a bit extra vcore and some chips wont overclock at all, There is no point in looking for another stress application because if it fails orthos its not stable, My rigs have all beeped and flashed red with orthos so dont worry about it. The memory timings to change for now would be CAS(5)-tRCD(5)-tRP(5)-tRAS(15) and leave the rest as they are or on auto, The ram timings your running now are very good, The reason i suggest changing them is to make it less stressfull on the ram so that your overclock instability can be narrowed down to either chipset or cpu voltage, The timings can be changed when you have a stable overclock.

Take the vcore up a notch and see what happens, As slipstreem always tells us, ensure that CPU TM is enabled in your bios and you cannot go wrong.

warm regards

Ive been googling vcore on the E2180, 1.40 or 1.41v is common for 3.0Ghz and your temps of 55 degrees during orthos is good, If you can get orthos stable at this vcore for at least a few hours the next step is to lower the vcore until its unstable, Then put it back up the where it last worked.

RE: Help me overclock my rig

Daniel — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:33:40 GMT

SpeedStep is currently on auto. I don't think I've been told to change it. I'll enable it, see if computer boots and see if orthos works. If so yay, if not I'll do a memory test.

RE: Help me overclock my rig

-Wiz!- — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:28:50 GMT

I would double check that speedstep is enabled first. Better safe than sorry. Orthos is the best prog to use. If it is unstable then you need to investigate which area is your weak point. Try running memtest on your memory to check that it is error free. :)

http://www.memtest.org/