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| I thought this was a pretty good article, and I am vehemently opposed to the idea of these low caps and then metered usage... I don't personally download that much, particularly in comparison to some, but I play games, I listen to online radio, and I watch the occasional film. However, my BB connection is shared between 3 people, and this is the case in many households across the UK. We already have to buy a computer (which *can* run into thousands of pounds), software to run on it, pay a monthly fee for internet access, and then there are the charges for using the legitimate media services to download music, films, tv or games... now they want to slap even MORE charges on us? I think it's appalling, considering the apparent drive towards an ubiquitous web service, and it most certainly goes against the concept of freedom for all behind the internet, as it will lead to a multi tiered web... As usual, those with money will be able to do what they want, the rest can have the leftovers...
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I read the article too, but BT are already charging 30 pence for every Gb over the limit of your plan, but are currently only doing this the second and subsequent times you exceed it. First time you get a warning.
Their unlimited package Option 3 is also restricted if seen as unfair usage, or if using P2P software extensively.
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Just use Be Unlimited.
Problem solved 
I don't like the idea of paying for more. I am quite a heavy user and it is a shared connection. I chose my BB package with this in mind. Why would I go to a contract that has a low limit and extra charges when I go above the limit?
I foresee that company having a lot of its heavier users leaving for pastures new.
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FreakShow! (02/02/2008)
I foresee that company having a lot of its heavier users leaving for pastures new.Do you think it will care? As has been pointed out numerous times in the past, including by one Forumite who is himself an ISP, bandwidth is finite whilst dwmand is constantly increasing, and with current flat-rate charging policies there is no incentive at present for anyone to pay for the massive investment required to upgrade the networks. The old 80 / 20 rule comes into play (80% of the usage is by 20% of the users) and in effect the majority are subsidising the high usage levels of a minority. What the ISP's are doing in effect is to charge for what is used. The objection comes from a resistance to change, and mainly from high users who see their cheap access being eroded. For almost any other commodity or utility we pay for what we use (or in the case of many younger forumites, someone else, usually parents, pay for what we use), so why should internet access be any different?
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Bob's said it all really.
50% of bandwidth is used by 10% of subscribers and that is a fact.
What annoys me is the use of P2P software by the likes of Sky, the BBC and increasingly software houses to distribute their wares on the cheap.
They are using the upload connection from YOUR computer to distribute THEIR content to other people.
They aren't paying for the bandwidth used YOU are because it counts to your cap or fair usage policy.
In the altrustic non capitalist cost model where the state provides and all singing and dancing do what you want system, you are still going to pay because the infrastruture would be paid for by taxation.
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| Thank you for the heads up, Dave. I must admit, though, that when I see a surge of outgoing (I use Netmeter to monitor my bitflow), I kill the DG834 connection. Then again, being a grumpy oldphart, I rarely download anything until I have seen the "MM Seal of Approval" published.
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Shouldn't it be - the more you use the more you pay?
or should it be - one price for every citizen and a cap for all?
or one price no limits?
Who fills the exchanges with new equipment? Don't they take extra money from us to fund the future?
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RRich (11/02/2008)
Who fills the exchanges with new equipment? Don't they take extra money from us to fund the future?Never mind a few quid to bolt new equipment into nice warm and dry existing exchanges, alongside the BT kit. Who is going to fund the £billions to dig up damn near every road, street and pavement in the Uk in order to replace several million miles of multi-core copper wires with nice shiny new fibre-optic cables?
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