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Pixel Kid (23/04/2008)
Final Cut will indeed be a part of the reason your daughter needs a Mac. Apple have a fantastic package with Final Cut. It is cheaper than the next nearest competitor (Avid) and as a result most college's & universities are teaching kids using Final Cut. So that is why they are suggesting she get a Mac.
One reason why Mac's are considered "special" is because every machine is fantastic value for money and Apple make sure that you get the most from each machine, whether that is a Mac mini or a Mac Pro. They don't do cheap, but at the same time whatever machine you get will come with software to take advantage of whatever hardware you have. Take the Mac mini for example (the cheapest Mac), it comes with iLife (video editing, music production, photo editing & dvd burning software). The Mac mini isn't going to be doing full HD resolution video production but the hardware & software combo for the price is amazing. I don't know how many friends of mine have tried editing video's on their PC's only to encounter problems because some part of the system is causing a bottleneck. Apple take care of all that so you don't have to.
I would suggest, as always, go for the best you can afford. If it's a laptop the MacBook will be fine but get as much RAM as possible (don't get the RAM from Apple unless you have to) and get as big a hard drive as you can.
Finally (I will shut up now honest!) I would add that a lot of people think good design is just about something looking pretty. That's wrong, good design will increase your productivity and using hardware and software that is well designed is important in a fast moving video production environment. Think about it, your PC is your tool. A carpenter uses a chisel whose design hasn't changed in 100 years because it is perfectly designed. It's the same with computers, if your livelyhood depends on the tools of your trade you'd better make sure they are well designed! Thats why I think Mac's are special :pNothing to do with you just landing a job with your local Mac store, then? Mac: overpriced and swooned over by journos. (And bjm has a few good points too!)
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It's called Photoshop Premiere 
The interface is probably the only difference so it's all down to what you are used to. If she learns to use Windows Movie Maker (an extreme that I think would be probably frowned upon if she did) It would be exactly the same as if she learned with the Mac counterpart.
Once it comes to the raw processing power, it's the faster CPU wins, the OS has nothing to do with it.
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Pixel Kid (23/04/2008)
Haha! Why are you on this forum?? You obviously hate Macs!
So give me a "technical" reason why Windows is better?
As the question was Mac vs. PC performance, and not Mac OS X vs. Windows...that appears to entirely pointless.
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Sorry folks I really didn't want this to turn into a which OS is best thread. The point about Final Cut is interesting. I've had experience of school and colleges saying the student must have some item or other. But if there is something out there just as good which would run on what I have for her already (XP) then that would be my favourite but for no other reason than cost.
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HA! Wow! Why are people so blinkered when it comes to Apple?!
It is quite obvious that these people have never used a Mac as part of their job for any length of time. Granted they are not suited to every situation, if you just want a machine for email & word processing from time to time then sure get a cheapo machine for £200 & don't worry about it.
But I suggest you try working in a video production environment. Actually, nevermind the high-end stuff, take Apples equivalent of Windows Movie Maker, iMovie. Use that for 10 mins and then tell me WMM is the better, easier to use application! But no for some, Windows is the standard and they just don't want to go against the grain.
As for the original topic of this thread, the new MD of Avid was interviewed recently and said exactly what I stated before, Apple are spanking them on price and as a result schools are choosing Final Cut over Avid. Plain and simple. It's got nothing to do with anything else.
And yes I will be starting my job at an Apple Store in June. I cannot wait, a chance to work with people who are not so pig headed, fantastic! :p
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Maybe it's you who's being "pig-headed"? I love Macs, and generally love Apple hardware, but apart from the reason that "it's always been this way" I see no compelling argument for using a Mac over a PC. The hardware's the same (even though you talk of bottlenecks on PCs that somehow don't exist on Macs) and there's equally capable software available for both platforms. The folks who say "it's got to be a Mac" are as pig-headed as anyone, because it's simply not the case. Granted, any student will naturally want to be using the same software that's being used to teach the course, and that's the sole reason why this particular student might consider a Mac over a PC.
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Yes I agree! Macs are not suitable for everyone in every situation, as I said before. But people are over-looking that the subject of this thread is why are Macs so special, from a video production perspective in a college where they are using Final Cut which is software that only runs on Macs! So if someone can explain to me how that has translated into a Mac vs Windows debate I'd love to know 
I presume that this guys daughter wants to get a job at the end of this course? So what, she's going to go and learn how to use some other piece of software that isn't an industry standard?? Yeah that'll help! And now let's wait for someone to say but "Final Cut/Macs aren't the industry standard either"....
It's all quite funny I think 
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| Like I said, who's being pig-headed? Granted, any student will naturally want to be using the same software that's being used to teach the course, and that's the sole reason why this particular student might consider a Mac over a PC. You clearly didn't read that part of my post, as you've just said exactly the same thing -- except with a rather silly rant thrown in for good measure.
As I recall, it was yourself who raised the subject of Windows versus Macs/Mac OS...
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