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Posted 30/04/2008 12:42:32


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I have installed AV and Firewalls on Pcs I have sold to friends.
Only to find, next time that I see them they are turned off!

I use Linux at home, and at work, my IDS system is far more effective than individual firewalls on PCs.
(Together with tight user controls).

I have been using the intrenet for over 10 years, and the only time so far (cross fingers) I have lost CC details was in a french "hole in the wall" machine.

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Posted 30/04/2008 12:56:54


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Responsible PC users do not get this influx of malware onto their machines in the first instance. I have not installed any anti-virus, firewall, or anti-malware product onto my OS's for years now, and I'm as certain as any software product could inform me that they're clean.

I never install software, without fully testing it first, I do not download software, browser addons, toolbars, music or video etc. except in a controlled environment and I do not visit sites which are often responsible for dropping their payload onto peoples PCs. I also don't use instant messaging or play games on my PC therefore I don't have a slew of constantly open ports.

Also I hope you realise that much software will actually still contact home through another allowed service, usually svchost, and bypass your Firewall anyhow.

If you really have got the time, money and patience to see exactly this type of behaviour, try using Jetico Personal Firewall v.2, it's one of the best Firewalls you'll ever use. It'll also make you see how much work, and resources these programs need in order to effectively `protect` you. You'll also probably not use it for very long due too… but you'll see why for yourself.

Incidentally, it's you who's being pessimistic, you believe that your'e infected and your software's out to get you. I, on the other hand, am optimistic that my approach is tried tested and worry free and my PC as a result is more responsive too!

CaptainCAD
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Posted 30/04/2008 13:30:57


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Ah but you do not seem to use your PC for what the majority of people do (Especially a family orientated PC). In fact I struggle to imagine what you do use it for except CAD work and forum posting.  

Intel e7200 @ 4.0GHz (4.32GHz SuperPi(e)) Lapped
Asus P5E-VM (Vdroop pencil modded)
4Gb Patriot Pc6400 4-4-4-12
250Gb Samsung Spinpoint
Sapphire ATI 3870/Akasa Vortexx Neo
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Ubuntu/Win XP
All in a Thermaltake Handbag...
Or flying @ 4.21GHz in the Stacker.
 
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Posted 30/04/2008 13:48:06


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I doff my cap to you, CC, and I'm impressed by the regimen you've developed for using and installing software on computers. (no I'm *not* being funny).

Unfortunately I have a wife and 6 year-old son with stubborn streaks who aren't quite as fastidious with the family PC as I would like them to be.

I am aware that a lot of malware makes use of generic services (such as svchost32.dll) to access the internet, but I hope that AVG, Spybot and ZA that I use at home tries to sort it out.  Oh, and I too don't install cracked, hacked or pirated software (having little patience for games helps there) - the software I don't pay for is freeware and I always pay for shareware once the nag screens come up.  Of course, being married to a Yorkshire lass means that I'm often investigating new freeware/bargainware (old versions of commercial software), but I try to at least Google about it first to see if there are any well known exploits . . .

Never tried Jetico's product, but we use ISA 2000/2003/2007 at our schools, so I think I have an inkling of what you're talking about.

Lastly, I knew I'd regret the "pessimist" crack.  I apologise, I tacked it on at the end of the post because most of the replies to my original post seemed to be along the lines of "software firewalls are a waste of time - when you're infected you have to do a complete system rebuild".  Please correct me if I misunderstood - maybe fatalistic was a better word?.

CaptainCAD (30/04/2008)
Responsible PC users do not get this influx of malware onto their machines in the first instance. I have not installed any anti-virus, firewall, or anti-malware product onto my OS's for years now, and I'm as certain as any software product could inform me that they're clean.

I never install software, without fully testing it first, I do not download software, browser addons, toolbars, music or video etc. except in a controlled environment and I do not visit sites which are often responsible for dropping their payload onto peoples PCs. I also don't use instant messaging or play games on my PC therefore I don't have a slew of constantly open ports.

Also I hope you realise that much software will actually still contact home through another allowed service, usually svchost, and bypass your Firewall anyhow.

If you really have got the time, money and patience to see exactly this type of behaviour, try using Jetico Personal Firewall v.2, it's one of the best Firewalls you'll ever use. It'll also make you see how much work, and resources these programs need in order to effectively `protect` you. You'll also probably not use it for very long due too… but you'll see why for yourself.

Incidentally, it's you who's being pessimistic, you believe that your'e infected and your software's out to get you. I, on the other hand, am optimistic that my approach is tried tested and worry free and my PC as a result is more responsive too!


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Posted 30/04/2008 13:54:52


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I think CaptainCAD must just sit and look at his PC....

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Posted 30/04/2008 14:30:32


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I know it's slightly off topic, but since it's been mentioned, I use my PC's for different purposes, the controlled environment allows me to use all of the current seven hundred and twenty freeware applications completely. If I put something on my machine, I use it to the best of my/it's ability. I'll guarantee that the vast majority of people here upgrade or uninstall a piece of software without ever really finding out what it does. I know nobody who actually use their wordprocessor to its full potential, or use it for tasks which would better suit something else they already have installed. The Operating System is one such piece of software too, I simply learn to use and understand them.

My friends and family use their PCs for different purposes, but also do not suffer from these malware problems of which you speak, perhaps they're boring, too controlled or short-sighted, but why act carelessly or recklessly and make yourself a target.

At the end of the day it's a Personal Computer, anything which is Personal to me is looked after and shown respect, not upholding those beliefs is a failing, especially if you have to then rely on something else to help you.

Why leave all your windows and doors open to the world all night, then trust an alarm system and CCTV, to hopefully warn you about an attempted intrusion. Change behaviour and close the bloody things as a matter of routine and only allow trusted people to enter in the first place.

CaptainCAD
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Posted 30/04/2008 14:36:11


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I agree. Although for many the PC is just a tool. They do not have nor want to spend the time to work out it's potential. They view it like you would any other house hold appliance and want it to do as they ask.

Many people are not net savy and will happily click on any pop-up that appears offering who knows what without realising the consequences.

Intel e7200 @ 4.0GHz (4.32GHz SuperPi(e)) Lapped
Asus P5E-VM (Vdroop pencil modded)
4Gb Patriot Pc6400 4-4-4-12
250Gb Samsung Spinpoint
Sapphire ATI 3870/Akasa Vortexx Neo
Enermax 600 Watt PSU
Ubuntu/Win XP
All in a Thermaltake Handbag...
Or flying @ 4.21GHz in the Stacker.
 
Try some MM Super Pi(e) here!

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