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Sorry I should have mentioned in my first post that I tried behind a router and with a direct connection to the internet The same thing happens either way, so that rules out the router problem.
I should also say that in off peak hours and before I reach the 1-2 gig limit (on the unlimited connection I have) the torrents come down very fast, obviously depending on seeds etc. Off peak but over the unlimited limit and its the same thing but not as bad as on peak.
It seems to me that virgin are specifically targeting BT traffic no matter how slow it is coming and going, and once its seen you're using BT then it cripples the whole of your connection and not just the BT traffic until you stop using BT. When you stop its quiet happy to give you back the less crippled connection (though substantially less than what you're paying for!) so you can browse normally.
My other problem is that they deny it.
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asininity (03/07/2008)
My other problem is that they deny it.
They may be denying it because they're not doing it.
If you're only having the problems during peak hours, when there are lots more people online sharing the connection, and while they admit that traffic shaping is going on, then that suggests that in your area, they seem to be close to their capacity and are struggling.
Although BT is downloading slowly, it's still sending dozens and dozens of requests to find more peers etc. and if anything, will slow your connection down more than when it's downloading at high speed, as it's got more work to do.
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Here is virgins trafficing policy, pretty clear what they do, limit on daily download amaount then the speed shaping kicks in
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html
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I wasn't suggesting your router was at fault (if that's what you were thinking ).
It was to show what a terrible resource hog Bit Torrent is.Believe me, if you were running an ISP you'd want it banned.
The problem is if people can't see with their own eyes what havoc is caused, they tend to think it doesn't exist.
Also some people seem to think they can do whatever they want on the internet and sod the consequences for anyone else.
It's someone else who should be sorting the "problem" and it had better not cost anything!
Not aimed at anyone here I hasten to add, we have a reasoned discussion about such things. IMO UK Broadband is not as bad as it's often painted, it's certainly cheap.
But, like any resource it has it limits.
No one wants to pay to resolve the situation, so it will stay unresolved until someone does.
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Tippon (03/07/2008)
They may be denying it because they're not doing it.
If you're only having the problems during peak hours, when there are lots more people online sharing the connection, and while they admit that traffic shaping is going on, then that suggests that in your area, they seem to be close to their capacity and are struggling.
Remember that my connection is fine in peak hours unless I use bittorrent they can't start struggling for capacity as soon as I start BT and suddenly have enough, up to 4Mbits of it, when I stop. I'm not being funny but I pay for a 10Mbit connection for a reason and the reason I'm with virgin is because download limits aren't meant to exist, or thats what the advert said tut tut! I understand fair use etc and think to a certain extent its a good thing. I'd rather have less than I'm paying for because the ISP is stopping me than have less because some other guys getting it. But neither is ideal.
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Here is virgins trafficing policy, pretty clear what they do, limit on daily download amaount then the speed shaping kicks in
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html
Which is fine but it doesn't explain whats constantly going on with my connection. And it wouldn't be the first time an ISP has lied about speeds etc would it. I understand they traffic shape but even in peak I should expect to be able to a least browser web pages whilst downloading at a very slow rate whether its BT or direct downloads. The difference between a direct download and BT is disproportionate.
Dave I understand BT is a resource hog no matter how fast its coming and going but baring in mind the direct download I mentioned can BT be requesting so much as to use the whole of my connection (Up to 4Mbits of it) to the point when I can't browse. I'm not an expert but it doesn't add up unless BT is being specifically targeted and a blanket punishment is then put in place?
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asininity (04/07/2008)
...I understand BT is a resource hog no matter how fast its coming and going but baring in mind the direct download I mentioned can BT be requesting so much as to use the whole of my connection (Up to 4Mbits of it) to the point when I can't browse.
Yes. That's what I was trying to get across in my earlier post. I used to have the 4 meg connection when I lived in Cardiff, and would get exactly the same problem, until I used the tweaks I mentioned earlier.
There was a network in the house, and we could barely access each other's systems, as BT was hammering the connection so much. That couldn't be affected by the ISP, as it's internal.
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Not trying to argue but didn't I mention this happens when the computer's directly connected to the internet. Wouldn't that rule out your point about an internal network? I also capped the download and upload to 5kBs and it still happens. I'll try the higher port number but am not holding my breath.
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