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Put it this way....
I don't give a rat's behind about DRM. It has NOT affected my views on the music industry, except it's starting to get desperate. And who can blame it? People are stealing left, right and centre without a moment's thought spared to the band. It sickens me! If a band I like come local, I will try to go see them, and maybe buy a CD or something at the merch stall. Or I'll buy a CD from Play/HMV/Amazon if it's cheap enough.
Yes, Tesco do sell the vastly overrated pop carp that the great unwashed follow like sheep, but can you honestly blame them? I did find Vampire Weekend's debut there for £7, and in Sainsbury's I picked up a Stone Roses album for £3. That's not paying through the nose at all.
If anything, I'm the one out of us on here who has to spend the most on CDs. Why? Half the bands I listen to are on independant labels (or self released), and I generally have to get an album imported if I want it, and it can cost quite a bit. I believe it cost me somewhere in the region of £25 to get two The Decemberists albums. A Godspeed You! Black Emperor record, whether from iTunes, Play, etc, will cost me £16. Explosions In The Sky retail for about £12. My only Enon album cost me a massive £14. iTunes is a blessing to people like me, as I can get most of these albums for £8, or there abouts.
I think that's a bit worse than your £10.50 for basically a 2 album set. Mind you, I can get a 3CD boxset of Pavement recordings for £10 from the ever lovely Crash Records 
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You say "stealing left right and centre" how so? Can you back that up? I haven't seen that at all amongst my friends and family. I have heard a lot of record companies saying it, but come to think of it, an article in MM recently said CD sales are 'as was' a few years ago. So who is stealing, what, and how much? I would be interested if someone could quantify it for me?? It's a myth in my opinion.
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Mitch (31/07/2008)
You say "stealing left right and centre" how so? Can you back that up? I haven't seen that at all amongst my friends and family. I have heard a lot of record companies saying it, but come to think of it, an article in MM recently said CD sales are 'as was' a few years ago. So who is stealing, what, and how much? I would be interested if someone could quantify it for me?? It's a myth in my opinion.
I cannot give solid proof, but I can do my best to give experience. There are (I believe) more people who get music these days than "a few years ago". Sure, the CD sales maybe as they where, but where are all these extra people? We all know the internet has boomed in recent years, and this means more people will be downloading music illegally. I quite often see it in people my age (as a user of MSN, I can see what people are listening to), and the terrible ID3 tags give away the illegal music instantly. Something like "leona lewis - bleeding love - leona lewis" is more likely to be illegal then "Built Then Burnt (Hurrah! Hurrah!) by Thee A Silver Mt. Zion Orchestra & Tra-La-La Band" Also, the number of songs with URLs in the tags that show up is another give away.
LimeWire and such programmes are still widely used to distribute music, as are things such as MSN. It's so easy to send something over MSN and no one will bat an eye lid.
That, Mitch, is my evidence. Many years experience of MSN and such things..
EDIT : I used that second song as I had just listened to it. It's very good Nothing like political post-rock 
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We know that ISPs are overburdened. We know that they throttle P2P traffic. Clearly somebody somewhere is downloading an awful lot of stuff, and you can bet dollars for doughnuts it's not the out-of-copyright works of Shakespeare.
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Jason (31/07/2008)
We know that ISPs are overburdened. We know that they throttle P2P traffic. Clearly somebody somewhere is downloading an awful lot of stuff, and you can bet dollars for doughnuts it's not the out-of-copyright works of Shakespeare.
Exactly, Jason. It's the people who are downloading pirated games all the time, torrents of TV shows, hundreds of albums...
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While I commend your music taste martin, you're missing a trick. If you rip a CD and you don't WMP or iTunes to update the tags, then you have to do it yourself. That means you can name a song "that ace song by Daft Punk" if you want. The record companies are terrified of P2P rightfully so. But they are now getting paranoid. They need to view it as an advertising platform in my opinion. As MP explained in another box-out. The record companies can't have it all their own way. You can't use Youtube to promote on the cheap and then bitch when some people take the pee and use similar platforms to avoid paying. I think I am seeing the next generation of this too. I was outraged when I saw a close relative at uni's PC and he had downloaded an outragoues amount of music via P2P. But now he is in a job, he is going out and buying the CDS for his stereo!
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It may be a wasted effort but you can't just assume it is illegal because of that. That is what the record companies are doing. It was ripped at some point Martin, and just because it has a dopey name, why does that mean it is illegal? People have very idiosyncratic ways of naming things.
People that download off P2P, in my experience, are people that cannot afford to buy albums. Therefore they would never have gone out to buy music anyway, so the record companies are losing nothing. In fact, I would argue that they are gaining fans who, like my relative, will go out and buy the music when he has the money. Allowing him to preview the music has built the desire for that product. That is one of the hardest things a salesperson or marketeer has to do. Build the desire so you can ultimately get the sale. Students with a hard-drive chocked full of P2P music will one day be in the position to be able to afford music on CD's etc. They are unlikely to have 'gone-off' the band, so they will ultimately update their music collection to that of the music they listened to when they were younger.
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