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Posted 19/09/2008 11:50:36


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The problem is unless you work in these environments, especially in the IT area, you really are only guessing at what "goes on".

You've also decided Open Source is "free" software, tell that to Red Hat
Someone has to maintain the systems and that someone needs paying.
The base cost of the operating system / office suite is relatively trivial.
£400? don't be silly...

Big corporates run off bespoke apps, that is the real problem.
They also use specialist software (in our case Autocad) that will not run on Linux or need upgrading itself if another version of Windows is used.
They are also a huge expense - Autocad LT2009 is £975.
That is why no-one leaps from NT4 to 2000 to XP to Vista lightly, never mind to Linux, or Unix, or whatever.
It's not the cost of the base system, it's the cost of the whole shebang i.e. all the infrastructure and how it interacts together (especially from a support perspective), not just one bit of it.

On the desktop Windows is king, get over it.
In the server room it most definetely isn't.

DH has hit the nail on the head with a lot of real world issues.
Take the support side, we have SLAs with our clients.
Those clients do not relax those SLAs when we change technology.
We have a lot of Windows knowledge, so any tech change from MS we are already half way up the ladder (usually a lot more).

If it all went Linux we'd all be on the bottom rung .
Then who do we contact for help?
Who runs Open Source Ltd?

You really need to understand what is required to keep big organisations going, and yes that includes your local school as it is a small part of a big organisation.
Any accusations of Government conivence with MS really are just conspiracy theories.
Look at the practicality of what you are proposing in all respects.
Unless you have had exposure to these environments, in all honesty you really can't.

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Posted 19/09/2008 12:20:40


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The only thing I did in my all my years of IT classes was learn how to use the current version of MS office so "choosing" an OS didn't take long.


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Posted 19/09/2008 12:30:46


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There is an unhealthy concentration on just the base o/s and office suite.
If that's all the issue was it would be a no brainer.
Any big business is much, much more than that.

If the savings were really there it would happen, I guarantee it, and it happens at the back end.
If my employer (big global outsourcer CSC) could slash their costs and maintain the same level of service, what do you think they'd do?
Or do you think they're all in bed with Gates and Ballmer?

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Posted 19/09/2008 12:35:15


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I think you misunderstood me Dave, I meant that IMO school's will never use Linux as the only teaching in IT requires MS office.

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Posted 19/09/2008 12:44:46


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I think a lot of people miss the point, regardless of financial cost *now*, of having a government pretty much dependant on a single, foreign software company and it's proporietary systems for much of it's infrastructure.

How can they possibly *not* switch to open source?

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Posted 19/09/2008 12:49:28


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What's the nationality of the company got to do with it?


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Posted 19/09/2008 12:51:13


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Bas - I know mate, it wasn't aimed at specifically you

Bish, if you think that's really the picture then you are very much mistaken.
Especially the back end systems.

This is the problem and my point.
Lots of you think it's like this, when actually it's a bit of that and some of the other.
Don't forget I actually work in this world.

Ohh err, just thought, Cisco is an American company too.
They are much more likely to have an infrastructure monoploy in a business than Microsoft.

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Posted 19/09/2008 12:56:20


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if you think that's really the picture then you are very much mistaken. Especially the back end systems.

Yeah, my back-end system is none of Microsoft's business.


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